I mean, I was talking about the fact that the depiction of interracial sex always comes coded with implicit political messages, what the hell are you talking about?
Author: wesleybracken8258
damn why are americans so racist?
White supremacy is way more than just an American problem, I can assure you.
I think that if we are discussing something subjective, I might take the appeals to the authority and the popularity over an appeal to the views of a guy who is so clueless about the social issues that he thought that writing about people of color in a setting that doesn’t revolve around their complexion is tokenism.
Well yeah, writing stories about people of color in settings that don’t revolve around their complexion isn’t tokenism, but that isn’t even close to what I was trying to say. I think I might feel a bit better about your opinions on fiction after you learn to read a little less superficially.
What are you trying to say Wes? Black people are incapable of being homophobic because they’re black? As a POC, I’ve had to hide my orientation from EVERYONE because you know what my people do to gays? They fucking shoot them and the police don’t investigate as a hate crime because its black on black crime. Yet, here you are, putting them on a pedestal. Do you know how many black bear porn videos I can find? Not a whole fucking lot, and they’re always fucking a white boy. Man the fuck up.
Well first, I’m really sorry that happens, and I hear your anger, I really do. I just want to acknowledge that.
I certainly don’t think black people are incapable of homophobia, and that was never something I wanted to imply. Nor was it my intent to put them on a pedestal. What I was doing was airing out the shitty reasons for why I have kept them out of stories in the past. Those were bad reasons–I’m fully aware of that.
Sex and politics are more intimate that we like to admit. These stories are, at the heart, a very personal depiction of how I view politics, and power relationships, and morality. That means, that every porn and piece of erotica which *does* include race is immediately brought into comparison with racial politics in general. A Black bear is never *just* fucking a white boy. That video carries with it it’s own commentary on power and race relations whether it intends to or not, because it was produced by a system which considers race in particular ways. That may not make much sense, I suppose, but a porn story is never *just* a porn story, leaving race out entirely has, in the past, seemed easier. But I don’t think it is honest, and I think it’s cowardly, and I’d like to find a way past it for myself.
I guess I’m confused as to what you want people to take away from the whole race debacle. Were you baiting people? Reasonable people aren’t going to take away anything positive from it.
I mean, when am I not baiting people, really?
All this is really more self-centered than anything else. I don’t think anyone is going to have much to take away from it other than me. I like antagonism. It forces me to think around my beliefs, and see where the weakest ones are, and see new solutions. I mean, that excerpt I posted was racist, point taken. I do need to find more ways to include PoC characters in my stories, and I’d like to do it in a way which doesn’t feel like I’m simply stuffing them in for diversity’s sake, because that’s terrible.
I’m hardly perfect, I can admit that. But I’d like to be a better writer, and a better person at the end of the day.
I think people are getting upset because you’re calling everyone including the black guy racist because it turns out we’re more likely to have our racial preference for sexual intercourse decided by race. Then you told white people they should be punished for being white. We’re gay Wes. We’re attracted to fat people. Regardless of our race, we don’t need to hear this incredibly far left bullshit. Now we’re getting persecuted for being gay, being white, and having a penis. Thanks man.
I’ve tried formulating a few different responses to all this mess, but I realized that it all just boils down to more “far left bullshit” that you obviously don’t want to hear, so why bother? As for your persecution complex…well, try a therapist.
You just ‘had’ to bring Game of Thrones back up didn’t you? You just couldn’t help yourself!! :p
I could have brought up Gamergate instead.
Oh shit…
That’s the reason why his novels attract so many female readers, and are heralded as a shimmer of female empowerment in an otherwise misogynistic genre?
When the bar is set so low, it doesn’t take much effort to hurdle it. Also an appeal to popularity may not be the best basis for your argument?
“faux-feminism” are your views on feminism as insightful as your views on racism?
They’re more insightful than G.R.R. Martin’s, at least.
Cersei > Daenerys, fite me.
fite you?
I mean, they’re still both still really terrible female characters. Whoever you want as the sour cherry on top of the shit sundae of faux-feminism which is Game of Thrones is up to you.